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Thursday, September 9, 2010

In case you hadn't seen the local "Backin' Up Song" video

Whoever did it looks as though he or she may have a career in front of them. Have a great Thursday, everybody.

16 comments:

Sevesteen said...

Wonderful--posted on my blog.

And even better, the original appears to be a pro-concealed-carry story--when the robbers threatened the clerk with guns, the clerk pulled his and shot the robbers.

Unfortunately if it is a corporate owned store, the clerk will probably get fired.

PFL0W said...

There have been repeated stories here, locally, where people have gone in to rob stores and the clerk has pulled a gun to defend themselves and ended up running the robber off.

I have to tell you, gun registration pusher that I am, I'm virtually always for them. Surprised? Don't be. It's self-defense and the gun holder has been, in each case I believe, a law-abiding, registered gun owner.

And me supporting them? Go figure, right?

It's no doubt a corporation that owns the store but it's a bit of a small "mom and pop" store this happened at so I think they'll retain their job. But who knows?

mr

PFL0W said...

Glad you liked it.

In checking out your blog today, I should tell you I finally got off my butt and added yours to my blog roll list. :)

Just fyi.

Have a great weekend

mr

kj said...

the lady was funny enough w/o the music, but the music made it an entertainment tour de force! Four snaps and a slurpie to whomever created this.

Sevesteen said...

The question isn't so much are you OK with clerks pulling guns on armed robbers--rather do you support the right of clerks and ordinary people to get a license to carry in the first place?

PFL0W said...

ain't it the truth? I thought what the guy did with it was terrific.

have a great weekend,y'all,

mr

PFL0W said...

Sevesteen,

You bet I am (a supporter of these clerks getting a license to carry). The only thing I'm not for is NOT getting a license and/or not registering. It seems a night and day difference between being and not being licensed and/or registered.

These people have to work overnight, when it's most dangerous and likely that some chucklehead will come in and want to rob them. Too many people have been killed at these convenience stores in these situations. It seems to me they should be able to defend themselves--just not with an unlicensed weapon.

mr

Sevesteen said...

That is a more logical view than most liberals.

Opposition to licensed concealed carry interests me--it is often seen by gun control advocates as the radical fringe of gun nuttery, but it also has the fewest problems, and by all available information more often used for good than bad.

PFL0W said...

What seems insane and incongruous to me--and a lot of "Liberals"--is the NRA's fight to have armor-piercing bullets be legal and automatic and semi-automatic weapons legal and available to the general public. What will they be used for but against police?

mr

Sevesteen said...

Police vests are designed to withstand handgun ammo. There are several different grades of vest--less bulky vests protect against most but not all handgun ammo, while somewhat bulkier vests protect against virtually all current handgun ammo.

A vest that will stop rifle ammo is not practical or reasonable in day to day police work.

The NRA has fought proposals that would ban ammo capable of piercing a particular classification of bullet resistant vest. One such proposal would have banned many common handgun rounds, and virtually all centerfire rifle ammunition--ammo that the vests in question were never designed to protect against.

As for banning semiauto guns--The clerks should be limited to revolvers or derringers? Spanish-American war era designs are too modern and deadly, so we should be limited to Civil War era designs?

The vast majority of modern handguns are semiautos. The Supreme Court has specifically declared them covered by the second amendment. What do you think makes them particularly unsuitable for civilians?

Full auto are legal, with lots of restrictions. Best I can find out, there have been 2 incidents of misuse by legal owners since the NFA was enacted in 1934, and in neither case did the full auto make a difference. Seems to be a panic over nothing, and the 1986 ban on new registrations pointless posturing with no impact on crime.

PFL0W said...

"The vast majority of modern handguns are semiautos. The Supreme Court has specifically declared them covered by the second amendment. What do you think makes them particularly unsuitable for civilians?"

The shootout, specifically, I saw a few years ago on nightly news television, in which the robbers were armed "to the teeth" and were using either automatic or semi-automatic guns on the police and making virtual armies of themselves, because they were so rather outrageously and heavily armed.

that's what

mr

Sevesteen said...

I believe you are talking about the North Hollywood bank robbery. From 1997, but replayed constantly on various police reality shows often with someone pretending his commentary was live from the helicopter instead of added later in the studio.

The criminals had full auto guns-From what I have read the HK was illegally converted in Mexico using parts from Mexican Army guns, and there is strong but not compelling evidence the other guns had connections to the same Mexican criminals.

The real problem was not the guns so much as the armor they were wearing--40 pounds each, and impervious to both handgun and shotgun fire. (Shotguns are powerful, but not good at penetrating armor)

Most police forces have switched from shotguns to rifles, in part as a result of this incident--even the police in my town of 20,000 would have likely had an easier time dealing with these people.

Semiauto rifles are rarely used in crime in the first place--Even the Brady Campaign says under 2%, other sources about 1%. This is roughly proportional or a bit below their percentage of all guns.

So based on a very rare but dramatic incident with massive media coverage, using fully automatic rifles, where the only deaths were the criminals despite the thousands of rounds fired, you want to ban the 10 shot semiautomatic handgun I normally carry?

PFL0W said...

Yes, ban them and ban them because they aren't for hunting, that's for sure, and on the street, it makes it that much worse for you and I--the average Joe on the street.

And I know where this is going, if we ban them then only criminals will have them. If banned properly--as in completely--it would be at least a lot less likely they'd have them.

Given that our Pandora's box of weapons is open, however, unfortunately this is likely true. It's a sad, desperate, stupid situation we've let the country fall to, with guns ubiquitous.

mr

Sevesteen said...

The "sporting purposes" exception to gun bans was brilliant--It reduced opposition from hunters, while leading some people into beveling that the second amendment was to protect hunting rights.

Hunting as an essential human right, up there with freedom of speech and the right to a fair trial?

Even if hunting was the only legitimate reason to have guns--(and store clerks defending themselves was not considered legit) Remington introduced the Model 8 semi-automatic hunting rifle in 1906, and eventually began calling it the Woodsmaster. They still make a Woodsmaster. Different than the original, but still a semiautomatic hunting rifle. Over 100 years is a long time for something to remain on sale if it isn't useful.

PFL0W said...

Well, in turn, then, I have to say, your pointing out that this gun made in 1906 was a semi-automatic was brilliant too (and again, I'm not being sarcastic).

I would bet, however, that, while this gun is, no doubt, technically a "semi-automatic", I'd nearly be willing to bet that it is in now way comparable to a semi-automatic made in the last 30 years. I'd find that extremely difficult to believe, for starters, and I do fall back, too, to my earlier point about semi-automatics truly not being used by most hunters.

mr

Sevesteen said...

Technical details differed-The Model 8 is recoil operated which has become rare in rifles--modern semiautomatic rifles mostly went back to the gas operation principle used on the 1895 US Army machine gun.

In operation, the 1906 gun was pretty close to modern ones--replaceable box magazine with up to 15 rounds, fired as fast as you could pull the trigger.

Recoil operation has remained the most common system for handguns in 9mm and up.

For the most part you are correct that bolt action remain the choice of most hunters that use rifles. Rifle hunting is usually for larger game, requiring a larger caliber. It is easier and cheaper to make large caliber guns in bolt action.

Where people are hunting game where smaller calibers are suitable, semiautos are much more popular. AR-15's (basically semiauto versions of the current US Army rifle) are widely used for varmint hunting. Military surplus Soviet SKS rifles are often used as deer rifles, because they are adequate, widely available and very inexpensive.
Postcard gun history lesson:

1884: first safe smokeless powder, a necessary precursor to automatic and semiautomatic guns.
1895: Browning's gas operated machine gun adopted by the US Army.
1895: Browning adds a disconnecter to the gas operated mechanism from the machine gun--this changes operation to a single shot per trigger pull. He adopts the mechanism to a pistol.
1896 Broomhandle Mauser pistol, magazine in front of the trigger guard. Versions in both semiauto and select fire full auto.
1900: Browning designs his first locked-breech recoil-operated handgun, the Colt Model 1900. With an increase in caliber and several safety improvements, this becomes the M1911 government model .45, the primary US Army handgun from 1911 to 1986, and still in limited use for some elite special forces units. Still one of the most popular guns for civilian use, and the core design of most modern pistols of 9mm or larger.
1900 Browning designs the blowback gun that became the FN 1900 and the Colt 1903. This has the essential features of most modern pistols smaller than a 9mm.
1900 Browning designs the recoil-operated rifle that becomes the model 8.
1906: Commercial release of the Model 8. Considered the first commercially successful semiauto rifle. Most later rifle designs go back to gas operation. Al
1935: Browning High Power released by FN. the last gun designed by Browning before his death. Simplified recoil system replacing the 1900/1911's toggle with the cam currently used by most locked breech pistols today. Also the first use of a double-column magazine in the grip, holding a then unprecedented 13 rounds.
1936: M1 Garand rifle adopted by the US Army, first major use of a semiauto rifle in a major military. Gas operation, 8 round fixed magazine using clips, still using the 30-06 (7.62x63) ammo of the 1903 Springfield.
1944: German StG 44, first assault rifle-Reduced-power ammunition, select fire and a box magazine.
1945 Soviet SKS. First use of the 7.62x39 reduced power round. Semiauto only, fixed 10 round magazine.
1947 Soviet AK-47--same ammo as SKS, Select fire, box magazine. (Versions common in the US lack the full auto capability, of course)
1959: M-14 introduced. Basically an M1 Garand with 20 round box magazines, a half inch shorter but still full power cartridge (7.62x51, .308 Winchester) and a selector switch to allow full auto fire. Full auto fire with the full power ammo turned out to be uncontrollable, and disabled on many guns.
1963: M16 introduced to Vietnam. Instead of a full-power .308 caliber cartridge, a much smaller and weaker 5.56mm (.223 caliber) cartridge is used. Controllable in full auto fire. Semi-auto civilian version very popular.